In this episode of the podcast we have a conversation with Tracy Balzer about her work in the areas of contemplative and Celtic spirituality, pilgrimage and Christian holy places. We discuss the nature and importance of “Thin Places”, where God seems powerfully present; “Thick Places”, where God seems far from us; and the experience of pilgrimage to Christian holy sites. From her research, writing and teaching, to her own experience and travel, Tracy is an insightful and instructive guide for us on the pilgrim’s journey.